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1. • CommentAuthorjoe.ramus
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   Did Alex (BH female rider) make it to the PISS ride one time??my last name is Gill, not Ramus.
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     CommentAuthorZigZag
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   I don't think so Joe. Pretty sure that was the Hannah that Celeste was referring to earlier.
   
   Also, I'm in for the U of A crit.Hella deeznuts
3. • CommentAuthorPCBerezin
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   I'm in but I'm totally new to racing, so I guess if anybody does cat 5 I'd like to tag along. Never done any serious races with the 6000 dollar cervelo crowd but I held it together pretty well for the PISS ride this wed if that means anything.

   Hell Yeah!: Loveland
4. •  
     CommentAuthorSteveAZ
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   ^^^^^^Chris, is that you?
   
   Hell yeah, there wasn't anyone there last night that couldn't race a cat 5 crit. A huge part of it is riding smart! Stay out of the wind, stay off the front, stay in the top 10, and do not get dropped. If it's a hard pace, stick it out, it'll only last a couple minutes. Nobody wants to blow themselves up and there's very little in the way of team tactics. Wednesday nights and working pacelines is excellent practice.I have nicer cars at home!
5. •  
     CommentAuthorisaac
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   ^dont always sit in, go off the front!!!!!!!!!!!! FTW!!!! "for us guys that cant sprint with the big dogs"
6. • CommentAuthorFit as shit!
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   Jeremy,
   
   If you keep on heckling me you might just incite me to get back out there in an effort to prove something. Keep it up. Hopefully your's and other's comments will pay off in a positive way for me.
   
   I am so jealous of Celeste every time she leaves for a ride and I am either stuck in class or writing an essay. Comments like the one you made about me holding her purse get me revved up and wanting to get out there even more badly, so it's a good thing. All I know is that as soon as it starts to look like Celeste is getting faster than me, my ass is jumping back in the kit, essay or no!
   
   But seriously, I am going to make an effort to get back into it next semester. Is there a regular ride that goes on during the weekend? I can't break away during the week due to school and work, but I would like to see if I can still hang in a pace line.

   Hell Yeah!: ct
7. •  
     CommentAuthorSteveAZ
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   You call it sitting in, I call it riding smart! I have yet to be in a crit that anyone was allowed to get away but I've seen a lot of people stay on the front too long and get blown out the back or not have the goods when it came to the finish line sprint.
   
   If I find myself on the front...10 pedal strokes and I peel off.I have nicer cars at home!
8. • CommentAuthormonkeyrider
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   im just starting to race. i just got my bike all built up. where can i find more information about racing?
9. •  
     CommentAuthorTakarA (SoSick)
   • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

    
   i say, for trashcan, we get a race going, any bike welcome, no stupid ass regulations, and no entry fee. yeah? cause i'll get just as aero with risers then then guy/girl next to me with drops.Either we'll be fine, or it will smell like weed and prostitutes
10. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     

    Posted By: SteveAZYou call it sitting in, I call it riding smart! I have yet to be in a crit that anyone was allowed to get away but I've seen a lot of people stay on the front too long and get blown out the back or not have the goods when it came to the finish line sprint.
    
    If I find myself on the front...10 pedal strokes and I peel off.

    
    yeah thats how i raced all my cat 5 crits last season. I did ok, always top 4 in my cat 5 crits. This year i'm going to try and brian forbes TT lap the field strategy (or just try and stick an off the front finish)

    Hell Yeah!: Mateo
11. •  
      CommentAuthorSteveAZ
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     
    ^^^^^Don't they call that an alleycat?I have nicer cars at home!
12. •  
      CommentAuthorSteveAZ
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     
    I haven't seen that happen. Technically if the field gets lapped, shouldn't they all get pulled?I have nicer cars at home!
13. • CommentAuthorburbs
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     
    azcycling.com for a lot of race information. ive been lurking round bikeforums.net road bike racing section for some informatin bout tactics/ parts/ crapsorry kdub. this better?
14. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     

    Posted By: SteveAZI haven't seen that happen. Technically if the field gets lapped, shouldn't they all get pulled?

    
    
    no, not if you lap the field with a small group or by yourself. i've seen it happen plenty of times
15. •  
      CommentAuthorUnivega!
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     

    Posted By: SteveAZI have yet to be in a crit that anyone was allowed to get away but I've seen a lot of people stay on the front too long and get blown out the back or not have the goods when it came to the finish line sprint.

    
    
    I saw Kale [Bike Haus] and one other guy go off the front in a crit, lap the pack, and then draft off the pack for the rest of the race, one lap ahead. HELL YEAH!
16. •  
      CommentAuthorjeremyHCD
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     

    Posted By: Fit as shit!Jeremy,
    
    If you keep on heckling me you might just incite me to get back out there in an effort to prove something. Keep it up. Hopefully your's and other's comments will pay off in a positive way for me.
    
    I am so jealous of Celeste every time she leaves for a ride and I am either stuck in class or writing an essay. Comments like the one you made about me holding her purse get me revved up and wanting to get out there even more badly, so it's a good thing. All I know is that as soon as it starts to look like Celeste is getting faster than me, my ass is jumping back in the kit, essay or no!
    
    But seriously, I am going to make an effort to get back into it next semester. Is there a regular ride that goes on during the weekend? I can't break away during the week due to school and work, but I would like to see if I can still hang in a pace line.

    
    
    I was just kidding, Josiah. You're more than welome to join me on the weekends. I think I mentioned that to your or Celeste on FB, since we're sort of neighbors now. On the weekend I do piss route, piss + dirt route, or san juan + somo.
17. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2009

     
    ^just dont drive to somo this time jeremy! the 15 mile rides wont cut it for race season! HAHAHAH j/k!
18. •  
      CommentAuthorjeremyHCD
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    ^haha I'd rather do San Juan a few times than ride up Central

    Hell Yeah!: Fit as shit!
19. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     

    Posted By: jeremyHCD^haha I'd rather do San Juan a few times than ride up CentralHot City Destroyers - come ride with us

    
    true. if i were you i'd ride through tempe to get to somo, much better route plus more miles
20. • CommentAuthorK Dub
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     

    Posted By: SteveAZ^^^^^Don't they call that an alleycat?

    Its the Cancellara strategy. Watch stage 3 i think of the 08 TDF on youtube. The last kilo is fucking sick. I can't sprint too explosively, so thats my strategy for everything really- just try to outjump some people and hope to hell they don't catch up. Yet to be successful.
21. • CommentAuthorK Dub
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    Hell Yeah!: isaac, Death of The Party, SteveAZ
22. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    ^WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking awesome finish!! he's a power house dude!
23. • CommentAuthorK Dub
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    This is sick as fuck too

    Hell Yeah!: isaac, SteveAZ
24. • CommentAuthorFit as shit!
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     

    Posted By: jeremyHCD

    Posted By: Fit as shit!Jeremy,
    
    If you keep on heckling me you might just incite me to get back out there in an effort to prove something. Keep it up. Hopefully your's and other's comments will pay off in a positive way for me.
    
    I am so jealous of Celeste every time she leaves for a ride and I am either stuck in class or writing an essay. Comments like the one you made about me holding her purse get me revved up and wanting to get out there even more badly, so it's a good thing. All I know is that as soon as it starts to look like Celeste is getting faster than me, my ass is jumping back in the kit, essay or no!
    
    But seriously, I am going to make an effort to get back into it next semester. Is there a regular ride that goes on during the weekend? I can't break away during the week due to school and work, but I would like to see if I can still hang in a pace line.

    
    
    I was just kidding, Josiah. You're more than welome to join me on the weekends. I think I mentioned that to your or Celeste on FB, since we're sort of neighbors now. On the weekend I do piss route, piss + dirt route, or san juan + somo.Hot City Destroyers - come ride with us

    
    
    I'd be down for a San Juan/ Somo combo. What are you doing Sunday morning?
25. •  
      CommentAuthorSteveAZ
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    Hell YEAH! I wouldn't really consider the first one a break per say, he went a little early and thus was able to neutralize the sprinters, a great and well executed move. In the second one, the course was perfect for his early departure and a 8 man or so chase. That was an excellent and well executed strategy.
    
    When Jesse is/was talking about going off the front, I was assuming he meant much earlier in the race, not in the last lap. People often do this but usually to make the field work and their team mates sit in the peleton and rest for the sprints. Rarely do they stay off the front and I've never seen this in a Cat 4 or 5 race.
    
    Make sense?I have nicer cars at home!
26. • CommentAuthorK Dub
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    I was talking about pro cycling, not domestic crits. In those races people do go off much earlier, but the powerhouses like Voigt and Cancellara usually try to win in some sort of break although Voigt tends to go earlier. If you listen to the commentators in the first video, Cancellara full on went for it, he wasn't trying to neutralize shit or do anything but win and they fucked up by letting him by. I understand your point though and trying illustrate what little strategy I have and putting images to what I was describing.
27. •  
      CommentAuthorSteveAZ
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    K-Dub, first of all we actually agree and yes, he DID neutralize the sprinters by going that early....everyone looked confused and didn't react quick enough.
    
    Second, the "alleycat" comment was to Takara about the free race.....nothing to do with real racing or domestic racing what-so-ever.
    
    Third, as far as domestic racing, I'm only speaking from a Cat 5/4 perspective because that's what most on this thread are inquiring about. Although I do sometimes comment on "upper cats", but with no real authority because I obviously have no first hand knowledge and just few observations which I usually clearly state.
    
    Just wanted to explain myself as we were going 3 or 4 different directions at once.I have nicer cars at home!
28. • CommentAuthorK Dub
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    no worries man, i understood what you meant.
29. •  
      CommentAuthorwesperad0
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2009

     
    I'm gonna try to hit a couple cat 5 tt's this year. Might hit a road race. I don't have much fun in crits so I think I'm gonna stay away from those. I'll be at all the Alleycats still.
30. •  
      CommentAuthorTransition3
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     

    Posted By: TakarAi say, for trashcan, we get a race going, any bike welcome, no stupid ass regulations, and no entry fee. yeah? cause i'll get just as aero with risers then then guy/girl next to me with drops.

    
    
    It is known around here as the Wednesday night PISS ride sprint points.

    Hell Yeah!: isaac, Loveland

    I am not bald, my hair is living in Reseda
31. •  
      CommentAuthorS. Felde
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    I'd love to see someone with risers taking points hahaha.

    Hell No!: Sensi
32. •  
      CommentAuthorOzzmundo
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    ^^ back in 07... ^^
33. •  
      CommentAuthorS. Felde
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    That's what I hear. Whenever the next Azfixed anniversary is, we should make a PISS ride thats all fixed and no kits.

    Hell Yeah!: jeremyHCD, Loveland

    Hell No!: Sensi
34. •  
      CommentAuthorUnivega!
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009 edited

     
    ^you should've been to the last one! it was pretty close
    edit: wait. i thought you said "all road bikes and all kits"
    
    carry on...
35. •  
      CommentAuthorTransition3
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    We are well on our way to a TT bike field :OI am not bald, my hair is living in Reseda
36. •  
      CommentAuthorTransition3
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    On the topic of TT. Anyone want to do the Pancake TT in Florence or the TT in Wickenberg?I am not bald, my hair is living in Reseda
37. •  
      CommentAuthorS. Felde
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009 edited

     
    ...and than after TT, triathlons will take over azfixed and swimming/running will take place in the middle of piss. Out.
38. •  
      CommentAuthorsandwiches
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    Cat 5 road and track in the spring. A friend of mine out here is a Cat 3 track racer and she said she'll help me train when it warms up outside.PENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUS
39. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    ^a chick will help you train? OUT! ;)
40. •  
      CommentAuthorsandwiches
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    Well, she's pretty fast. I met her at a race and she hung on to those of us in the top five and she was just mashing away on a Fuji Track with risers.PENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUS
41. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    not saying much if she was just "hanging on" to YOU!!! HAY YO!!!!! ;)
42. •  
      CommentAuthorsandwiches
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2009

     
    Ouch, diiiiiiiick.

    Hell Yeah!: isaac

    PENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUS
43. •  
      CommentAuthorisaac
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009

     
    ^i gave you a thumbs up. i'm just kidding with you forrest!! miss u
44. •  
      CommentAuthorsandwiches
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009 edited

     
    i know you're joking, dawg.
    
    i <3 u.
    
    ps. i'll be at the PISS ride on the 6th. See you there.

    Hell Yeah!: isaac

    PENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUSPENUS
45. •  
      CommentAuthorDobber
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009

     
    I'm getting excited about the u of a crit and the swiss crit. Can't wait.

    Hell Yeah!: SteveAZ

    So cold in the T.
46. •  
      CommentAuthorSteveAZ
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009

     

    Posted By: Univega!^you should've been to the last one! it was pretty close
    edit: wait. i thought you said "all road bikes and all kits"
    
    carry on...

    
    
    But if I recall correctly, it was still 2 fixies that took top honors...Keith and Chad FTW! Thumbs up to that and thumbs down to the BB's (Boner Bikes)
    
    
    
    

    Posted By: Assistant CoachI'm getting excited about the u of a crit and the swiss crit. Can't wait.I'm a grower not a shower.

    
    
    Hell Yeah, can't wait!I have nicer cars at home!
47. • CommentAuthorPCBerezin
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009

     
    So where/how do you sign up for races. Any requirements?
48. •  
      CommentAuthorSteveAZ
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009 edited

     
    You can show up the day of the race and get a 1 day license for I believe $5. Other than that, pay your entry fee and come with a road worthy ride (I already know you have) and a helmet and you're good to go. Beyond that, extra wheels are nice. Cat 5 is pretty low key. You can get the schedule and more info at AZcycling
    
    
    I'll be at the first 2 crits as it sounds like others will be as well. I'm sure as they get closer there will be even more talk and organization to meet up at the races. A nice way to do it so you're not just hanging out by yourself.I have nicer cars at home!
49. • CommentAuthorburbs
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009

     
    As far as protocols go, cat5 is pretty chill. as long as you have a road bike, helmet, and jersey/shorts you'll be fine. Technically you cant wear a jersey with a buncho sponsors on it (like a team jersey) unless it is part of a sanctioned team, but you can get away with it in the smaller races if youre a 5.sorry kdub. this better?
50. • CommentAuthorK Dub
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2009

     
    If you're a 5 you just have to physically be there. They appreciate if you stay on your bike, ride in the correction direction, and avoid collisions, but its not really necessary.

    Hell Yeah!: Death of The Party